I get it, I was a vegetarian once- I wasn’t vegan because of my objection to seeming extreme to others. And I was a meat-eater long ago. I didn’t give it up because it tasted bad, but because I found the treatment of the animals ethically abhorrent. The dairy and egg industries are just as bad, if not worse in some cases.

There is meat and dairy, and egg production that is better for sure, but most of the people who justify their meat-eating by saying that they only eat “humanely raised”, etc are fooling themselves. That label is often meaningless, and a far greater percentage of their diet is not “grass fed” or whatever. Who can afford that stuff anyway? I realize this is purely anecdotal, but I would guess I’m mostly right.

I was really just looking up recipes for grits. Heh. I just wanted to address the arguments, because you seem like a thoughtful and open-minded person. (compliment sandwich). I generally don’t bother because you just get the same terrible, old vegan/bacon jokes instead of civil discussion.

I will totally make this recipe, veganized and do the bacon topping with smoked shiitake mushrooms.

I’ve never been tempted to be vegetarian either, although I’ve been eating a lot less meat these days due to how most of it is raised. Also, true grass-finished beef has a flavor so much richer than what we now find in stores. So I wait for the real stuff.

BTW. Good to meet in person at Camp Blogaway.